345 Drive Belt Replacement (2024)

Jan 10, 2022 / 345 Drive Belt Replacement

#21

hunt4570

Super Member
Joined
Feb 10, 2015
Messages
5,886
Location
South Carolina
Tractor
Grand L3540 ,724 loader, bucket, grapple and now forks also! And just for OP.. a pool!

    mjw said:

    Do you have the newer metal valve covers?
    My dad replaced the gaskets a few years ago but still had leaks.
    One of them fully let go last summer and I found out that there is an upgrade from the plastic valve covers that warp/crack and leak.

    I’m rereading this thread in preparation of replacing the drive belt and fuel lines.

    Fuel pump failed, old style that leaks into the hot muffler, got lucky it failed during snow season, short run time, cold temps probably helped prevent a major fire.
    Bought the drive belt last season, just been to lazy to put it on.

    If I remember right I have the metal covers, but not positive, I'll have to look.

    Feb 1, 2022 / 345 Drive Belt Replacement

    #22

    M

    mjw

    Member
    Joined
    Jul 15, 2006
    Messages
    37
    Location
    S. Illinois
    Tractor
    None, yet

      Just about done with my drive belt/idler pulley replacement. Along with fuel pump/lines and transaxle filter/fluid change, I hope.
      Big snow coming in a few hours, I’d like a running snowblower.
      I need to stop by the dealer for an internal filter , they only gave me the external one.

      One thing the parts guy did suggest was to replace the idler pulley bushings- M71682
      Also the bushings on the idler pulley dual mount- M111358.

      345 Drive Belt Replacement (2)

      345 Drive Belt Replacement (3)

      Old bushings on top.

      He was right about the pulley mount, one bushing was broken and the shaft is worn. The shaft looks welded to the large plate that is riveted across the frame so I just cleaned it up as good as I could and replaced the bushings.

      We’re the second owner of this 345 with just about 600 hours on it. Hydraulic filter had a 2007 date on it so at least some maintenance was done to this thing.

      The original fuel pump sprung a leak, right onto the exhaust. Upgraded pump has a third outlet with a hose to drain fuel directly onto the ground in case of a leak.
      Changed all the fuel lines while I was in there.

      I removed the body work, doesn’t take but 5-10 minutes working slowly.
      I didn’t jack the tractor up, I would probably get it in the air if I had to do it again just to save my back.

      Thanks to all who contributed to this thread especially the OP.

      Matt

      Feb 1, 2022 / 345 Drive Belt Replacement

      #23

      M

      mjw

      Member
      Joined
      Jul 15, 2006
      Messages
      37
      Location
      S. Illinois
      Tractor
      None, yet

        Success, she moves and blows snow.
        And with a few hours before the rain turns into a foot or more of snow.

        A few random thoughts on the job(s)-

        First- if you test start the machine from the ground without the body work on it don’t forget to throttle up and choke it. It won’t start no matter how many times you try no matter how strong the new fuel pump is sucking.

        John Deere is pretty neat, the pedals are different shapes and so are the holes in the floor boards so you can’t put them in wrong. You can however put them on the wrong side of the linkage so they rub on the floor boards. No problem, quick fix.

        Weirdly they used 13mm for the body bolts.
        15mm for pulleys.
        19mm for fan
        12mm- not sure if needed for belt/pulleys, Needed for fuel pump.

        The bracket with the 2 idler pulleys won’t come straight out but if you rotate it it will drop free. The bolt for this may have been 10 or 12mm, can’t remember.

        When the PTO doesn’t engage don’t assume the worse, you probably just decided not to hook up the control cable until you shoot it with some contact cleaner. It works much better when connected (and clean).

        I have a love/hate relationship with smart phones but they are awesome in the shop. Play tunes and take plenty of pics. This was mostly a Pink Floyd job with a little Rush thrown in.

        The foam rub strips for the fuel tank were falling apart so I just used some butyl rubber stripping that was letting around to replace them.

        All in all not a bad job, probably 4-6 slow hours total spread over a few days. Includes cleaning garage and finding tools spread over 3 different areas. Fuel pump was easy, spent most of the time cleaning off the old gasket.

        Feb 7, 2022 / 345 Drive Belt Replacement

        #24

        big bubba

        Elite Member
        Joined
        Mar 7, 2007
        Messages
        2,844
        Location
        arkansas
        Tractor
        M8540

          good work to the OP, shows attn to detail & patience. & to those thread contributors on their work.

          comment on idler pulleys. in the world of "permanently sealed/lubricated bearings", am glad to have lots of grease serviceable zerks on my zero turn incl the spindle bearings. the second most replaced item in my drive train other than belts are idler pulleys. guess there's a lot of heat generated by the belts that transfer to the idler bearings. replacement is an easy fix.

          but i have never seen an idler pulley that is grease serviceable. why? has anyone run across one? idler pulleys are subjected to a lot of service & would be enhanced if serviceable. btw my idler pulley arm shafts are serviceable, but not the bearings themselves.

          also...i have had very poor service from the std Gates type drive belts found at auto parts box stores. i now get Kevlar reinforced belts from following source. once you determine you belt size, these belts far outlast Gates. just a suggestion. regards

          Last edited:

          Feb 7, 2022 / 345 Drive Belt Replacement

          #25

          M

          mjw

          Member
          Joined
          Jul 15, 2006
          Messages
          37
          Location
          S. Illinois
          Tractor
          None, yet

            big bubba said:

            also...i have had very poor service from the std Gates type drive belts found at auto parts box stores. i now get Kevlar reinforced belts from following source. once you determine you belt size, these belts far outlast Gates. just a suggestion. regards

            I don’t know who JD used for belts 20 years ago but I was impressed that a belt missing as much as this one was still pulling the mower around with no issues. There sure wasn’t much left of it, but I figure we got our money’s worth out of it.

            Last edited:

            Feb 7, 2022 / 345 Drive Belt Replacement

            #26

            B

            beenthere

            Super Star Member
            Joined
            Aug 16, 2001
            Messages
            18,108
            Location
            Southern Wisconsin, USA
            Tractor
            JD_4x2_Gator, JD_4300, JD_425, JD_455 AWS, added JD_455, JD_110, JD_X485(sold)

              big bubba said:

              good work to the OP, shows attn to detail & patience. & to those thread contributors on their work.

              comment on idler pulleys. in the world of "permanently sealed/lubricated bearings", am glad to have lots of grease serviceable zerks on my zero turn incl the spindle bearings. the second most replaced item in my drive train other than belts are idler pulleys. guess there's a lot of heat generated by the belts that transfer to the idler bearings. replacement is an easy fix.

              but i have never seen an idler pulley that is grease serviceable. why? has anyone run across one? idler pulleys are subjected to a lot of service & would be enhanced if serviceable. btw my idler pulley arm shafts are serviceable, but not the bearings themselves.

              also...i have had very poor service from the std Gates type drive belts found at auto parts box stores. i now get Kevlar reinforced belts from following source. once you determine you belt size, these belts far outlast Gates. just a suggestion. regards

              What brand zero turn do you have?

              Don't think I'd want grease around the idler pulley on my lawn mower decks. Think it could lead to grease on the belt all too easily.

              Feb 7, 2022 / 345 Drive Belt Replacement

              #27

              big bubba

              Elite Member
              Joined
              Mar 7, 2007
              Messages
              2,844
              Location
              arkansas
              Tractor
              M8540

                beenthere said:

                What brand zero turn do you have?

                Don't think I'd want grease around the idler pulley on my lawn mower decks. Think it could lead to grease on the belt all too easily.

                good point on any drive belt system. i'm careful not to over grease & wipe down, etc. my zero is an Everride (now Airens i believe) heavy duty commercial. my point is the more serviceable grease points on a machine the better, & wish the idler pulleys were the same. a small point i guess. i do highly recommend kevlar reinforced belts tho
                regards

                Feb 7, 2022 / 345 Drive Belt Replacement

                #28

                B

                beenthere

                Super Star Member
                Joined
                Aug 16, 2001
                Messages
                18,108
                Location
                Southern Wisconsin, USA
                Tractor
                JD_4x2_Gator, JD_4300, JD_425, JD_455 AWS, added JD_455, JD_110, JD_X485(sold)

                  Not sure what the JD belts are, other than they last a good long time.

                  345 Drive Belt Replacement (2024)

                  FAQs

                  What are the symptoms of a bad serpentine belt? ›

                  Bad serpentine belt symptoms
                  • Squeaking, squealing or chirping sound from under the hood of the car.
                  • Check engine light or battery light is illuminated on your dashboard.
                  • A/C isn't working.
                  • Power steering isn't working.
                  • The engine's temperature is high or overheating.
                  • Smell of burnt rubber.

                  How to tell if a drive belt is bad? ›

                  The most obvious sign of a faulty drive belt will be how much harder steering becomes. This issue will be marked by a loss of power steering — a luxury drivers now take for granted. If you fear your steering has become an issue, you may need your drive belt replaced.

                  Will my car run with a bad serpentine belt? ›

                  Since the serpentine belt helps provide power to cool the engine, a faulty belt can cause the car engine to overheat as the water pump will not turn. As soon as the engine begins to overheat, have it inspected by a mechanic as it can cause a breakdown and cause engine damage if left overheated.

                  What are the symptoms of an over tightened serpentine belt? ›

                  Excessive Wear: A serpentine belt that is too tight can cause excessive wear on the belt and other components, leading to premature failure. The added tension can cause the rubber on the belt to wear down more quickly, which can cause the belt to crack or break.

                  What else should be replaced when replacing serpentine belt? ›

                  Most importantly, take the tensioner pulley and any idler pulleys (these are pulleys that do not drive anything, like Power Steering) and give them a spin.

                  How many hours does it take to replace a serpentine belt? ›

                  Plus, replacement is relatively easy, and if you're wondering how long does serpentine belt service take, it's less than an hour for most vehicles.

                  Why is my serpentine belt still squealing after being replaced? ›

                  If a newly installed serpentine belt is making noise, it is a sign of a problem within the engine's front end drive system. Serpentine belt noise is the equivalent to a “check engine” light that indicates something is wrong with the belt drive system.

                  Should you lubricate a serpentine belt? ›

                  Note: Never use spray belt lube or dressing to quiet a serpentine belt. Both will contaminate and ruin the belt.

                  What are the following signs that the drive belt needs to be replaced? ›

                  Noise – As drive belts fail they make an unmistakable high-pitched “squealing” or chirping sound. Hard Start – Belts that aren't engaging won't provide power to the vehicle's systems. This can cause accessories to fail and even prevent the vehicle from starting.

                  How do you check a drive belt? ›

                  Here are tips for inspecting belts:
                  1. Look for cracks, fraying, or splits on the top cover.
                  2. Look for signs of glazing on the belt's sides. Glazed or slick belts can slip, overheat, or crack.
                  3. Twist a serpentine belt to look for separating layers, cracks, or missing chunks of the grooves on the underside.
                  May 26, 2022

                  What happens if a serpentine belt is put on wrong? ›

                  Misalignment pulleys or tensioner: If the belt is not properly aligned on the pulleys, it can wear unevenly or slip off entirely, leading to its premature failure. This situation usually happens if some of the components have been previously removed, replaced, and not returned in to place properly.

                  What happens when a serpentine belt breaks while driving? ›

                  The serpentine belt is a single, continuous belt that drives multiple devices in your engine, such as the alternator, power steering pump, water pump, and air conditioning compressor. If your serpentine belt breaks, all of these systems will shut down and your vehicle will overheat.

                  Does serpentine belt affect acceleration? ›

                  If the belt fails and the alternator stops charging the battery, the resulting electrical problems could affect the vehicle's overall performance, including acceleration. But you would probably have some larger warning signs. Air Conditioning Issues: The serpentine belt drives the air conditioning compressor.

                  How to tell if a serpentine belt is loose? ›

                  One of the most common signs that your car's serpentine belt is going bad is squealing noises coming from the engine. The belt may be loose and need to be tightened, or it could be worn out and need to be replaced. If you hear squealing noises, it's best to take your car to a mechanic to have it checked out.

                  Is it my serpentine belt or timing belt? ›

                  A timing belt has horizontal "teeth" that are made to fit both the crankshaft and camshaft. In contrast, a serpentine belt has multiple V-shaped grooves that appear vertically along the belt. Over time, these belts need to be replaced (roughly around the same time).

                  References

                  Top Articles
                  Latest Posts
                  Article information

                  Author: Cheryll Lueilwitz

                  Last Updated:

                  Views: 6323

                  Rating: 4.3 / 5 (74 voted)

                  Reviews: 81% of readers found this page helpful

                  Author information

                  Name: Cheryll Lueilwitz

                  Birthday: 1997-12-23

                  Address: 4653 O'Kon Hill, Lake Juanstad, AR 65469

                  Phone: +494124489301

                  Job: Marketing Representative

                  Hobby: Reading, Ice skating, Foraging, BASE jumping, Hiking, Skateboarding, Kayaking

                  Introduction: My name is Cheryll Lueilwitz, I am a sparkling, clean, super, lucky, joyous, outstanding, lucky person who loves writing and wants to share my knowledge and understanding with you.